True Garlic Seed Update

Have you been wondering what happened with my attempt to produce true garlic seed? Here’s how it went …

(Reminder: True garlic seed is different from the bulbils that appear in mature garlic scapes. You can read a true garlic seed primer and a garlic bulbil primer in past GTS posts. Or read Ted Meredith and Avram Drucker’s  introduction to producing true garlic seed.)

July 11, 2012 – Harvest Scapes and Remove Bulbils

I already posted about this step in my true garlic seed primer. In this case though I removed the bulbils from harvested garlic scapes sitting in a bucket of water.

August 7, 2012 – Garlic in Bloom

August 17, 2012 – The Bulbils That Got Away


It’s hard to remove every last bulbil the first time, especially the littlest bulbils. I tried to check regularly and remove any bulbils I missed. A few got away.

These garlic scapes were harvested at the same time as those for garlic seed. Their bulbils are fully formed and their flowers have long since dried up.

August 26, 2012 – Swollen Garlic Ovaries

This is when I got excited.



End September, 2012 – Harvest Seed Heads

At this point the garlic stems had dried up and the flowers were drying down though I still couldn’t see any mature seed.

I cut the seed heads and put them in paper bags.

NOvember 28, 2012 – Garlic Seed

Yesterday I opened up my paper bags and found …

These garlic seeds came from a rocambole garlic named Quebec. Quebec is a variety we’ve been growing for years. My co-farmer Fred originally picked it up at farmer’s market but otherwise  we don’t know anything else about its history.

January to March 2013 – Starting TRue GArlic Seed

Though I am pretty stoked, getting the garlic seed is only the first step. In January or February, I’ll follow Ted Meredith and Avram Drucker’s indications to bleach and cold treat the seed. I’ll seed them in March in the greenhouse and wait to see how many germinate. ( First generation true garlic seed reputedly has low germination.)

Summer 2013 And Beyond …

From there …

Well, I’ll keep you all posted!

29 responses to “True Garlic Seed Update

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  2. Great Work. Looking forward to further updates.

  3. Wonderful! Hope most of the seeds will grow for you, and you may get more generations.

  4. Cool to see that they made seeds. Looking forward to see how they grow.

  5. NICE – I never use seeds for planting garlic i use the cloves

  6. Looking forward to updates

  7. I can see garlic seed gets people excited! Thanks for the encouragement. I hope I’ve got exciting spring updates.

    Dan

  8. Dan – Just stumbled on this while looking for info on true garlic seed. Amazing work – definitely going to try this out this year with a couple of my hardnecks. Good luck with this project – looking forward to seeing some garlic seedlings(?) this year!

  9. I started my 3 seeds today.

  10. Super cool Daniel! I got some Northern Québec a couple of years ago, but most of us here in MB got hit with Aster Yellows last year and my NQ didn’t make it…well, just one bulb but it was stunted, coming up 2 weeks after everything else, and then it just didn’t grow. It never made it to harvest. Interestingly, the bulbils are acting the same way. Can’t quite figure that out.
    Harvested all my garlic today and yesterday. All hanging now.

    How can I find follow-up posts to this one…wish you had a tag cloud…I’ll go looking now…

    • Hi Sheri,

      The variety that produced seed was a Rocambole named Quebec – this is different from Northern Quebec which is a Procelain garlic. I have never found any other reference to the Quebec rocambole strain. It’s probably something somebody renamed at some point.

      There has not yet been a follow up post to this one. I haven’t got around to writing one. Though I can tell you my garlic seed didn’t germ. I’m trying to produce some more this summer.

      There is a search box in the right sidebar of my blog that will bring you to just about anything you’re looking for.

      Take care, Dan

  11. Hi. I just must tell you that all our rocambole bulbilcapsules this year have flowers. Even one capsule does not have a bulbil but only flowers. And not only rocambole flowers, all our other sorts og hardnecks shows small flowers in between the bulbils. I didn,t believe my eyes, because they should not flower!! We live in Denmark and we have grown garlic since 2011. This year we have had an very dry and hot summer in opposite to the two last years. So maybe a very big variation in termerature can trigger the flowering? We have bought our rocambole from a lady WHO bought the bulbils on Farmers Marked in New York, so no one of us knows wich kind of rocambole we grow.
    With regards.
    Juana Knauer, DK

    • Hi Juana,

      Garlic scapes often have small flowers between the bulbils but then the flowers dry up. To keep the flowers alive and get seed, you probably need to remove the bulbils.

      It sounds like one of your rocamboles is doing that on it’s own!

      Keep me posted,
      Dan

      • Thank you for your answer.
        3 of them does not have any bulbils at all. They only have flowers.
        I have kept the stemes so I can take Pictures of them. If you are interested I can send you some Pictures so you can see them. Yes I know that in between the bulbils we often see some small single flowers. the Purple stripes ones also this year have unusual lots of flowers.
        I didn´t think about it before I saw your articel. Then I looked throug all our crops and found out, that all our garlic flowered unusual much this year.
        Have you any experience in, why they flower moore some years? Have you seen if a very hot summer has a inpact?
        Have a nice day.
        Juana Knauer

      • Hi Juana,

        I generally find that the number of flowers is proportional to the number of bulbils. A scape with a lot of bulbils has a lot of flowers and a scape with few bulbils has a lot of flowers.

        Previously, I hadn’t noticed that hot summers had an impact. However we are having a very cold summer and this year we seem to have fewer bulbils and consequently less flowers. I do not know if there is a correlation but it does seem to line up with your observation.

        Though it does not explain your scapes without bulbils.

        I would love to see some of your pictures.

        Dan

  12. Hi. I just must tell you that all our rocambole bulbilcapsules this year have flowers. Even one capsule does not have a bulbil but only flowers. And not only rocambole flowers, all our other sorts of hardnecks shows small flowers in between the bulbils. I didn,t believe my eyes, because they should not flower!! We live in Denmark and we have grown garlic since 2011. This year we have had an very dry and hot summer in opposite to the two last years. So maybe a very big variation in termerature can trigger the flowering? We have bought our rocambole from a lady WHO bought the bulbils on Farmers Marked in New York, so no one of us knows wich kind of rocambole we grow.
    With regards.
    Juana Knauer, DK

    • Does anyone have any true seed available? I am willing to pay for it and exchange information. I am interested in allowing two types to go to seed and possibly cross pollinating. Has anyone tried crossing two strains to possibly rejuvenate the genes of the plants to make them start to actually seed on their own again, via genetic diversity, similar to a more natural environment. I believe the lack of genetic diversity is part to blame. Even though the cloves currently being used in commercial operations are genetically identical, I think allowing some actual natural diversity and plants to go fully through their cycle we can eventually pull the plant out of this mess and have plants that once again actually go to seed.

    • Hi Dan and Juana

      Not sure if you are still on here.
      Did you have rocamboles produce flowers without bulbils again this year? Would love to get a clove of one of those. I’ve been growing garlic for a few years from seed. So far pretty low germination. Less than 15%, but its building. Feel free to email me directly starwarsv1@outlook.com

      Thanks,
      Dave

      • Hi Dave,

        I’ve taken a break from trying to get true garlic seed. Maybe next year!

        I’m thrilled to hear that you have gotten some garlic bulbs from seed. Do you have any pictures?

        Dan

      • Hello. Sorry to tell you, that all our garlic went bad this year. We had a very wet winter 2014-15. It rained from october to februar and our garlic stood for months in water. So most off it ruttened or went sick. We have started up with new stock this winter, and we also have drained our garden. Some of our raised beds have got new places, so now we hope the garlic will survive. Funny, that one sort of Rocambole allways is flowering, som did not get any bulbils but only flowers. Other sorts like “Porcelain” can get lots of flowers in between the bulbils, but there flower is not like the ones on the “Rocambole”. Sadely I only know that this particulary “Rocambole” was bought on Farmers Marked in New York, so it can be just any one of the “Rocamboles”. I have got some new cloves from a friend who got some of mine the year before, so I will still grow the same “Rocambole”. Did I send you pictures of the ones that flowered two years ago? My husband took some nice pictures. So if you are interested, I can send them for you.

        With Regards

        Juana Knauer

        Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:41:49 +0000 To: juanak@live.dk

      • Hi Juana, I’m sorry to hear your garlic didn’t do well this year. The standing water doesn’t sound like it did any good to the garlic. It probably accentuated any diseases taht you might have in your garlic patch. If you have the space, it would probably be good to rotate out of those beds for a few years. Otherwise you might infect your new stock.

        I don,t think you sent me those pictures. I’d love to see them!

        Good luck with your new crop,
        Dan

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  14. I did read about that, and actually got into contact with Ivan. I didnt really like the idea of not knowing exactly what the new strains he had were crosses of. I asked but that question was skimmed over. I am interested in starting a few strains of my own, that I know the origin of. I have never seen a plant that was grown from any sort of clone that was even close to being as vigorous as a plant grown from seed. I believe that seed will be the best option for efficiency once the genetics are back on track.

  15. So, what were the results? How did the seed do? I am planning for next year and I am really wanting to know so that I can plan my garden for next year

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